Confirmation of Joe’s Identity and Link to Keating
******Those interested in following my research into Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher and Martin Eisenstadt can follow all posts here******
**7:20 pm Thursday October 16. 2008—I just posted another update about this.
**10:30 am Thursday October 16. 2008–I just posted an update with the various things that have been clarified and the new findings from throughout the night here. Please see that post for the most recent and relevant information.**
2:15 am Thursday October 16. 2008
Ok, this is the big one. We have confirmation that the last name we were using is in fact correct so I will now reveal the connections since the name has been said on MSNBC and CBS.
Joe the Plumber is Joe Wurzelbacher. There is a Jan Wurzelbacher associated with a Joe and the address with the building I have pictured below. Earlier tonight I called the number associated with that address and the name Wurzelbacher Bros. and the machine message made no mention at all of any business.
Now to the Keating connection. As mentioned in a previous post the name Wurzelbacher is fairly uncommon so it’s not hard to track down potential connections just using geography and ages to make the likely connections. There is a Robert Wurzelbacher who died in 2004 (possibly deceased is more accurate) who is in the same area and is of an appropriate age to be a parent or uncle to Joe who according to reunion.com is 33. This Robert Wurzelbacher not only had a history of campaign contributions to republicans but is implicated in the Keating Five scandal. The full text of the article relating to this is below. There are other Wurzelbacher contributions to McCain and other republicans in other parts of the country. We are looking into those now. With the confirmation of the last name and the limit number of family members this looks very bad. There is also no such plumbing business listed or advertising and the number I called (I only called one so as not to disturb at a home number late at night) makes no effort to tell you that you have reached a business. This is looking very, very much like an act.
Here is an article from 1992 regarding Richard Wurzelbacher’s connection to the Keating Five:
Keating In-Law Enters Plea And Will Assist Prosecutors
A son-in-law of Charles H. Keating Jr. pleaded guilty today to three Federal fraud counts in connection with the collapse of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Assocation and agreed to cooperate with prosecutors as they pursue their case against Mr. Keating.
The guilty plea was the sixth from executives and business associates of Lincoln and its parent company, but was the first crack in what until now had been a united Keating family defense against the charges in the case.
Mr. Keating and a son, Charles H. Keating 3d, still face an array of fraud and racketeering charges brought against them in a 77-count Federal indictment issued last year. Their trial is scheduled for August in Federal District Court here. Mr. Keating was convicted last year on separate fraud counts in a California state court and is serving a 10-year prison sentence. Bad Loans to a Hotel
The guilty plea today was from Robert M. Wurzelbacher Jr., who had been a senior vice president of Lincoln’s parent company, the American Continental Corporation of Phoenix, and the chief executive of an investment firm owned by Lincoln Savings. Mr. Wurzelbacher, who is 38 years old, is married to the former Elizabeth Keating, one of Mr. Keating’s daughters.
Mr. Wurzelbacher pleaded guilty before United States District Judge Mariana Pfaelzer to three felony counts of misapplication of federally insured funds. The charges were not among those made against Mr. Wurzelbacher in last year’s Federal indictment.
His guilty plea involved charges arising from $13 million in loans and advances made by Lincoln Savings, which was based in Irvine, Calif. The money went to a limited partnership that owned and operated the Hotel Pontchartrain in Detroit.
Mr. Wurzelbacher and other officers and employees of Lincoln and American Continental, including Mr. Keating and his son, were partners in the limited partnership, according to court documents.
The prosecutors said that in pleading guilty Mr. Wurzelbacher admitted that he and other Lincoln and American Continental executives had made the loans and advances knowing that they probably would not be repaid and were not in Lincoln’s best interests.
Prosecutors said that the hotel suffered large losses, but that the limited partnership generated substantial tax benefits for Mr. Wurzelbacher and the other limited partners.
In all, Lincoln suffered losses of more than $23 million on loans to the hotel, according to a civil suit against Mr. Keating filed last year by the Resolution Trust Corporation, the Federal savings and loan bailout agency.
Mark Beck, a lawyer for Mr. Wurzelbacher, said that in pleading guilty to three counts his client would not be subject to the strict sentencing guidelines that would apply to the charges in the indictment.
“It was not an easy decision, but he had to keep in mind that as the father of two grade-school children he faced substantial consequences if the defense was unsuccessful at trial,” Mr. Beck said.
Lincoln was seized by Federal regulators three years ago just after American Continental filed for bankruptcy protection. Lincoln’s collapse is expected to cost taxpayers $2.6 billion. Mr. Keating, unfairly in his view, has come to embody the political influence peddling, mismanagement and fraud that pervaded the savings and loan industry.
As part of his plea, Mr. Wurzelbacher agreed to cooperate with the continuing investigation of Lincoln by the United States Justice Department and a host of state and local law-enforcement and regulatory agencies, said David A. Sklansky, an assistant United States attorney who is prosecuting the case.
Mr. Sklansky said the Government had also agreed to move for dismissal of all the counts against Mr. Wurzelbacher in the Federal indictment. Mr. Wurzelbacher could be sentenced to as many as 15 years in prison and fined as much as twice the loss caused by his actions.

Yes, this is interesting. It could also explain how he so quickly got interviewed by various media sources. He’s on http://www.familysecuritymatters.org . And it would help explain why McCain incessantly mentioned him during the debate. I thought McCain was just insane.
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Good work, if this is true you need to send it to the media ASAP. Joe is doing the morning shows as mentioned in Politico and it would be great for them to ask him these questions. Given the answers he has given it is more than obvious there is something fishy about him, he essentially is regurgitating Limbaugh/Hannity talking points and even when shown he is paying less taxes under Obama than under McCain he fights against it.
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I just heard Joe “the plumber” Wurzelbacher interviewed on CNN and there is no doubt in my mind he is a Republican plant. He was obviously very well rehearsed as he rattled off GOP talking points. If this can be proven, it will blow up in McCain’s face.
Rick said this on October 16, 2008 at 7:31 am
All we need is the family information. Time for someone to hit the courthouse records.
caheidelberger said this on October 16, 2008 at 9:22 am
Of course he is a plant…just look at him. It is embarassing for all of us.
ck said this on October 16, 2008 at 9:51 am
Did you see that insiders at the McCain campaign knew about the Keating Konnection? McCain aide Martin Eisenstadt blogged about the f-up last night. http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/joe-the-plumber-wurzelbacher-related-to-charles-keating-oops/
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CA said this on October 16, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Very good work! Hopefully, the mainstream folks will pick up on this.
Mike said this on October 16, 2008 at 2:32 pm
“As mentioned in a previous post the name Wurzelbacher is fairly uncommon so it’s not hard to track down potential connections just using geography and ages to make the likely connections.”
Switchboard finds more than 100 Wurzelbachers in Ohio alone. It’s certainly possible that they’re all part of a single extended family (especially given the very small number of Wurzelbachers in neighboring Pennsylvania, Kentucky and Indiana) but I think there needs to be stronger evidence that this guy is a plant.
Frankly, I would not expect any members of the Keating family to feel inclined to do any favors for McCain after that clusterfuck. Whatever favors McCain pulled for Charles Keating behind the scenes, he certainly dropped him like a hot potato once the news was out. I think this is all really implausible.
Tim said this on October 16, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Something about the pushing of this Joe the Plumber/Keating story by Martin Eisenstadt reminds me of when given to CBS documents on George Bush’s National Guard record turned out to be fake. I was always conbiced those documents were a Republican plant to make it seem that Democrats would jump at anything to try and defame Bush. Could this be the same kind of thing?
chris said this on October 16, 2008 at 4:01 pm
We have met the October surprise.
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Joe the Plumber – real name Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, is an unlicensed plumber working for Newel Plumbing. My guess is that he’s a plumber’s assistance. He admitted on ABC earlier today that he hasn’t had a plumbing license since 2002. Wonder why or how he lost his license? He is 34. The Robert is a jr., who appears to be 33.
Gotta watch that middle initial of Robert Wurzelbacher. There were several Robert L’s, and M’s found in intellius and lexus searches, and a Robert W.
I am sure we’ll hear more as there is a pro-Obama political club at the U of Toledo.
sauerkraut aka Palin Pity Party said this on October 16, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Nice work. Thanks! Glad to see you in the top blogs today. I’ve been so irked to see that dumb blog questioning Obama’s birthplace.
Anyways, very interesting and verified story! Thanks again!
*high five*
Bell said this on October 17, 2008 at 12:49 am
Very interesting, if it can all be definitely proven. Good research.
badger47 said this on October 17, 2008 at 1:30 am
I knew and had business dealings with a Wurtzelbacher family in Cincinnati. The painting company is owned and operated by the patriarch’s family. It is a small business operation as of about a decade ago – nothing fancy.
Wurzelbacher Construction and the LLC is a huge plot of land that the father bought and put into trust. He builds some of the homes wherein the smaller lots in his subdivision were sold.
One of his daughters lives on the biggest lot at the end of a cuddlesack in the subdivision.
Frankly, I knew them to be a huge family – I thought maybe as much as 10 kids. The father was great – a good family man and hard worker. He was not a part of the Keating deal – maybe one of his sons, but not him from my dealings with him. In fact, he let me out of a deal on one of the lots when an emergency arose and he could’ve kept my deposit but didn’t.
There are baseball fields in Shandon? Ohio named for him, he was very generous in his own communities. He donated and built the fields.
Now for “Joe” – I think he is part of the family in Cincinnati.
I know that a professional license can be suspended for failing to pay child support – but, I’m not asserting such. I don’t know. I do find his custody of his son to be both curious and commendable if under correct circumstances. Where’s mom and why the divorce.
Generally, “Joe” seems too much like the undecided voter – big aspirations based on a hope and prayer rather than through education or hard work. A 40K salary seems a bit odd – it is too much of a round number – it’s fake. My guess is he is an under the table wage earner in order to evade taxes or child support. The best way to tell is to check his loan application for his home (if he owns it, or else his lease) often, this is where the truth lies – aside from his claimed income.
“Joe” definitely LOOKS like the family I know from here – they are big boys.
carryout said this on October 17, 2008 at 3:09 am
I posted basically the same information on my blog. However, it appers those leaveing comments here are used to seeing the RNC pull the “rabbit out of the hat”.
After only having my post up two hours I had 76 comments…only ONE of which I could allow to be posted….they were all vile, full of name calling of the worst sort. The cursing is what clinched it for me as to NOT posting them.
Kindest Regards,
Michelle
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The more we hear about Joe, the more it appears your assertions are correct… Back Taxes due, not a licensed plumber, no chance of actually buying the referenced business… Sounds likely to me!
trebord said this on October 17, 2008 at 9:54 am
Give me a break!
I am NOT a Republican, but this is ridiculous.
Plant, not a plant, who cares. Keating, not Keating related, again who cares.
A man ask a question about taxes, and he got an answer.
The USA is in a hard place- out government has to a large extent been subverted and is actively harming the nation and citizens to the benefit of a few.
Get your heads out of your ___.
Vote. Demand lawful, Constitutional government.
Kick out the Congress that sold us out.
batguano101 said this on October 17, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Shows how big of an idiot Obama is to go to this guys house and ask his opinion! Joe didn’t seek out Obama it was the other way around.
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